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An interesting story..
I don't like it's billing though as this is a man recounting a story from his mixed family hertitage. Calling him Black is one dropping him. He even one dropped himself during that, albeit to put a bigot in her place. He is mixed white.
I realise that this is the billing put up by the youtube user and not you mulan. I have left a message on their comments page. 
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Quote: Originally Posted by RutitaAn interesting story.. I don't like it's billing though as this is a man recounting a story from his mixed family hertitage. Calling him Black is one dropping him. He even one dropped himself during that, albeit to put a bigot in her place. He is mixed white. I realise that this is the billing put up by the youtube user and not you mulan. I have left a message on their comments page.
I am sure he billed it that to get more views
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Quote: An interesting story..
I don't like it's billing though as this is a man recounting a story from his mixed family hertitage. Calling him Black is one dropping him. He even one dropped himself during that, albeit to put a bigot in her place. He is mixed white.
Here's the thing though... (And recall, my POV is not the average POV on the board)
ODR for me has always been an EXCLUSIONARY "device"-- very much like norms over socio-economics. There is "Us" (the white majority, with the ole "wink, wink, nudge nudge") and then... there is "Them" and narry the two shall meet. ODR gives people a way to group Others into the "Them" category, rather than admit that the world is made up of all of "US"-- we are all human, sharing a planet, and a future... By being able to "exclude" certain groups, the Hegemony can justify quite a bit of injustice and their very narrow outlook.
But a reverse ODR, one which still veiws the past as impacting each of us in a positive manner (such as what he seems to be doing here) opens us up to being a more INCLUSIVE society.
I don't see much wrong with his thought process. He's embracing a heritage that not everyone would say "Hey, that's pretty cool... I think I'll go and identify with my background, which will cause some people to shun me."
Yes, it smacks of ODR, but it is INCLUSIONARY, rather than EXCLUSIONARY.
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Thanks for posting this Mulan. It was very interesting.
It feeels good to see that some white people are feeling more comfortable acknowledging their black ancestry. When people have to go back to great great grandparents, they may as well be white at that point. I am so glad that the white people on my father's side were not in the USA when slavery was legal. Every time I watch Roots or view some of the brutal scenes in this clip, it makes me better understand why so many African American people really don't want to acknowledge that they have white ancestry. MGM people on my mother's side never wanted to discuss where the white ancestry came from. It was just something they chose to omit.
This man is so lucky that he knows where he came from.
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This is really interesting and I was wondering if anyone on this board had the actual address so I could watch the whole thing...I would greatly appreciate that thank you.
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Quote: Originally Posted by Traci
This is really interesting and I was wondering if anyone on this board had the actual address so I could watch the whole thing...I would greatly appreciate that thank you.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29Wfm1aNHYw
The whole thing is not available on youtube, I know because I have asked already.
Apparently you can buy the feature length version.
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Thank you for that. Have you seen the whole thing? Is it worth buying it?
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Interesting! Although I don't think the reenactments are necessary. Its not History Channel material, so it looks a little poorly made.
'...she couldn't believe it, she didn't talk to me much after that,' LOL. The way he said it was funny.
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This is very interesting. I give him props for not being ashamed of or hiding the fact that he has mixed Black ancestry. This is rare to have a percieved White person be open about having mixed Black ancestry. Most times they'll say Native American, it's rare that you ever hear of any saying they have Black ancestors.
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Quote: Originally Posted by PassingWomanQuote: An interesting story..
I don't like it's billing though as this is a man recounting a story from his mixed family hertitage. Calling him Black is one dropping him. He even one dropped himself during that, albeit to put a bigot in her place. He is mixed white.
Here's the thing though... (And recall, my POV is not the average POV on the board) ODR for me has always been an EXCLUSIONARY "device"-- very much like norms over socio-economics. There is "Us" (the white majority, with the ole "wink, wink, nudge nudge") and then... there is "Them" and narry the two shall meet. ODR gives people a way to group Others into the "Them" category, rather than admit that the world is made up of all of "US"-- we are all human, sharing a planet, and a future... By being able to "exclude" certain groups, the Hegemony can justify quite a bit of injustice and their very narrow outlook. But a reverse ODR, one which still veiws the past as impacting each of us in a positive manner (such as what he seems to be doing here) opens us up to being a more INCLUSIVE society. I don't see much wrong with his thought process. He's embracing a heritage that not everyone would say "Hey, that's pretty cool... I think I'll go and identify with my background, which will cause some people to shun me."Yes, it smacks of ODR, but it is INCLUSIONARY, rather than EXCLUSIONARY. ~PW I concur. And it's a shame we can't just focus on our similarities. |
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This is not really uncommon. Before the Civil War in the South there were Mulatto families who would marry into white families such as the Gibson family. Jordan Gideon had gone west with Daniel Boone in 1774. Also there was a quadroon named Joe who wrote a song that was actually based on a real story where a white family of African descent brought a suit against another white family because one of their children called their child a negro. They tried to prove they were white but they were found out to have African ancestry and from then on referred to as a Coloured family. So you can say this was one of many families that tended to pass for white who were among those Mulatto families marrying into white families.
Here's some info from the net about this. I'm telling you Mulatto history is very interesting.
http://www.frenchcreoles.com/ArtTheater/Beaumont/beaumont.htm
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Quote: Originally Posted by Launcelot_du_LakeThis is not really uncommon. Before the Civil War in the South there were Mulatto families who would marry into white families such as the Gibson family. Jordan Gideon had gone west with Daniel Boone in 1774. Also there was a quadroon named Joe who wrote a song that was actually based on a real story where a white family of African descent brought a suit against another white family because one of their children called their child a negro. They tried to prove they were white but they were found out to have African ancestry and from then on referred to as a Coloured family. So you can say this was one of many families that tended to pass for white who were among those Mulatto families marrying into white families. Here's some info from the net about this. I'm telling you Mulatto history is very interesting. http://www.frenchcreoles.com/ArtTheater/Beaumont/beaumont.htmThis is so informative. The is a great website.
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You mean FrenchCreoles.com is a good site?
There was this family in S. Carolina called the Turks who were counted among the members of the white community, married into some affluent Mulatto households [and I mean extremely affluent like the Ellisons who owned over 60 slaves]. Everyone had a feeling they were mixed, but never challenged them on that point which I thought was interesting. lol
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