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Post a person of suspected mulatto heritage/ancestry.
Please Note: The creation of this thread isn't to imply what one should call themselves, or opposes what the following people identify as racially/culturally. The thread's intent isn't to push a racial identity on anyone, we're all free to chose that for ourselves; the thread invites curiosity of one's possible mulatto ancestry/heritage (ie, total ancestry) and the acknowledgment of it. The thread isn't meant to claim, unclaim or not claim anyone as being part of the Mulatto Race and cultural identity .
Again, the implication isn't that having mulatto ancestry means that a person currently identifies, should identify, or is a racial Mulatto.
Kent Masters King - American actress. b. 1974 Los Angeles, CA
She's best know for portraying Dr. Lainey Winters on ABC's General Hospital.
Schatar Saphirra Taylor/White (whatever); American actress, scholar, ambassador, public speaker... (whatever); b. 1971 in Washington, DC.
I post her because I just think she's suspect - period. She stated on tv and on her website that her great-grandfather was white Scottish, marrying her great-grandmother of Madegascan royalty. But the wig, herstyle, her whole vibe, is just suspect; therefore, she's a suspect mulatto.
Cathy Hughes - American business woman, Radio One CEO/founder. b. 1947 in Omaha, Nebraska.
 
Stacy Lattisaw - American, popular 1980's chanteuse. b. 1966 in Washington, DC.
Donnie Simpson - American radio dj and tv vj. b. 1954 in Detroit, Michigan.
Deborah Mathis - American political commentator, once worked for former Governor of Arkansas, Bill Clinton. b. 1953 in Little Rock, Arkansas.
Ed Gordon - American newscaster and tv host. b.1960 in Detroit, Michigan
Kelly Rowland - American singer. b. 1981 in Atlanta, Georgia.
Most people won't agree, but I wonder.
Jesse Jackson - American civil rights activists. b. 1941 in Greenville, South Carolina.
Raven Symone - American mogul/Actress. b. 1981 in Atlanta, Georgia.
Will Smith - American actor. b. 1968 in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania.
Jurnee Smollett - American actress. b.1986 in New York, NY.
Mari Morrow - American actress. b. in Miami Florida
Sanaa Lathan - American actress. b. 1971 in NY, NY.
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I have always wondered if former U.S. Representative Bob Barr from Georgia was part black.
 
BTW, cool topic, mulan. Some suspect mulattos have no ethnic information available online. Maybe they want to keep us guessing. 
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Thanks, OTHER.
Bob Barr, that's a good one. I never heard of him. He does look as if he could be mulatto, melungeon, or something..
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Awww, I used to LOVE Stacy Lattisaw. What a great voice! All I can find online is her being referred to as black, which is what I always thought she was. You never know, though, because I realize that many mulattos back then were taught to say that they were black.
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OK, here's one that recently has been OBVIOUSLY mixed to me, but I can't find any info. to back that up.
Deemi
  
Come on! She MUST be, right!?!?
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Uh, virtually every single African American with a few generations of Ancestry has some mulatto ancestry somewhere. Are you guessing that they themselves have substantial European ancestry?
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Quote: Originally Posted by Otorongo
Uh, virtually every single African American with a few generations of Ancestry has some mulatto ancestry somewhere. Are you guessing that they themselves have substantial European ancestry?
For the ones I posted, I am saying I think they have a significant amount of African and European ancestry.
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I've never heard of Deemi. Will look her up.
Condoleezza Rice - US National Security Advisor. b. 1954 in Birmingham, AL.
Phylicia Rashad and Debbie Allen (sisters). American actress;actress/dancer/choreographer. b. 1948/1950 in Houston, Texas.
Are descendants of the 'Old Guard' Negro Class.
Jayne Kennedy - American sportscaster/actress/model. b. 1953 in Washington, DC.
Laila and Muhammad Ali - American heavyweight boxers. b. 1977 in Miami Beach, FL; b. 1942 in Louisville, KY
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Lark Voorhies - American actress. b. 1974 in Nashville, TN
James Earl Jones - American legendary actor. b. 1931 in Arkabutla, Mississippi
Bill Cosby - American legendary comedian. b. 1937 in Philadelphia, PA.
Seriously, yes, I do wonder.
Erykah Badu - American soul singer. b. 1971 in Dallas, TX.
Russel & Joseph Simmons and their family.
Perri "Pebbles" McKissack Smith-Reid-Nixon - American singer/minister. b.1964 in Oakland, CA.
Queen Latifah - American entertainer. b. 1970, Newark, NJ
Picture below: left Queen Latifah, far rt. her mother Rita Owens.
Whitney Houston - American singer/actress/model. b. 1963, Neward, NJ.
(Her father on the right)
 
Shanice Wilson - American singer. b. 1973 Pittsburgh, PA.
Keke Wyatt - American soul singer. b. 1981 , Indianapolis, IN
Lala Vaszquez - American vj. b. 1979 Brooklyn, NY.
Sammy Davis, Jr. - Legendary American performer. b. 1925, Harlem, NY.
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Quote: Originally Posted by OTHERQuote: Originally Posted by Otorongo
Uh, virtually every single African American with a few generations of Ancestry has some mulatto ancestry somewhere. Are you guessing that they themselves have substantial European ancestry?
For the ones I posted, I am saying I think they have a significant amount of African and European ancestry.
the same here.
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Quote: Originally Posted by OTHERQuote: Originally Posted by Otorongo
Uh, virtually every single African American with a few generations of Ancestry has some mulatto ancestry somewhere. Are you guessing that they themselves have substantial European ancestry?
For the ones I posted, I am saying I think they have a significant amount of African and European ancestry.
I'd agree. Just wanted to clarify.
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mulan,
Some of the people you are wondering about, such as Condi Rice, Bill Cosby, the Simmons brothers, etc. may have some European mixed in from way back, but I'm pretty sure they have consistently had "black" ancestors for some time.
In regard to the Rice family success, one thing people don't tend to realize about "the South" is that there are have PLENTY of long-term successful black families, not just the Creole, MGM, passe blanc, and so on. Of course, the same could be said about certain Northern cities in the U.S., as well. (I'm from "up North", but have lived "down South" for half of my life.)
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Quote: Originally Posted by OTHER
mulan,
Some of the people you are wondering about, such as Condi Rice, Bill Cosby, the Simmons brothers, etc. may have some European mixed in from way back, but I'm pretty sure they have consistently had "black" ancestors for some time.
In regard to the Rice family success, one thing people don't tend to realize about "the South" is that there are have PLENTY of long-term successful black families, not just the Creole, MGM, passe blanc, and so on. Of course, the same could be said about certain Northern cities in the U.S., as well. (I'm from "up North", but have lived "down South" for half of my life.)
But i can look at Rice and tell that she has, at least, indigenous American ancestry.
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Quote: Originally Posted by mulanQuote: Originally Posted by OTHER
mulan,
Some of the people you are wondering about, such as Condi Rice, Bill Cosby, the Simmons brothers, etc. may have some European mixed in from way back, but I'm pretty sure they have consistently had "black" ancestors for some time.
In regard to the Rice family success, one thing people don't tend to realize about "the South" is that there are have PLENTY of long-term successful black families, not just the Creole, MGM, passe blanc, and so on. Of course, the same could be said about certain Northern cities in the U.S., as well. (I'm from "up North", but have lived "down South" for half of my life.)
But i can look at Rice and tell that she has, at least, indigenous American ancestry.
That's understandable. I wouldn't be surprised if 25% or more of the black population in the U.S. is mixed with "native American". My understanding is that some tribes would take in and protect runaway slaves. I know that in my own family, my African-American grandfather is mixed with Blackfoot Indian. His mother was either full or half, from what I am told.
Something I've noticed from living in different parts of the U.S. is that not only are those hints of "native American" ancestry visible in a number of black people, but you can also see a difference from region to region that I am assuming comes from whichever tribes were indigenous to a particular area.
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But i can look at Rice and tell that she has, at least, indigenous American ancestry.
Don't know her ancestry, but by eyeballing, she could also have Berber or a multitude of other ancestries without having to assume Native American. I know she has European Ancestry.
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Quote: Originally Posted by OTHER
That's understandable. I wouldn't be surprised if 25% or more of the black population in the U.S. is mixed with "native American". My understanding is that some tribes would take in and protect runaway slaves. I know that in my own family, my African-American grandfather is mixed with Blackfoot Indian. His mother was either full or half, from what I am told.
Something I've noticed from living in different parts of the U.S. is that not only are those hints of "native American" ancestry visible in a number of black people, but you can also see a difference from region to region that I am assuming comes from whichever tribes were indigenous to a particular area.
Maybe more out west. But some studies have not found significant contribution in the east.
Estimating African American Admixture Proportions by Use of Population-Specific Alleles
We analyzed the European genetic contribution to 10 populations of African descent in the United States (Maywood, Illinois; Detroit; New York; Philadelphia; Pittsburgh; Baltimore; Charleston, South Carolina; New Orleans; and Houston) and in Jamaica, using nine autosomal DNA markers.
To evaluate the extent of the Amerindian contribution to the African American gene pool, we looked for the presence of the Amerindian-specific mtDNA haplogroups (A, B, C, and D). Finally, we emphasize the importance of admixed populations in mapping disease genes showing prevalence differences between ethnic groups by taking advantage of the linkage disequilibrium created when populations hybridize.
Results indicate a sex-biased gene flow from Europeans, the male contribution being substantially greater than the female contribution. mtDNA haplogroups analysis shows no evidence of a significant maternal Amerindian contribution to any of the 10 populations.
Haplogroups A, B, C, and D are Amerindian-specific haplogroups that together account for almost all Amerindian mtDNAs (Wallace and Torroni 1992) and are thus especially suitable for testing the importance of the Amerindian influence in the African American maternal line. Of the >1,000 African Americans analyzed, we detected only 4 individuals with an Amerindian haplogroup. Two individuals in Maywood, one in Baltimore, and one in Houston showed the Amerindian B haplogroup. Several other samples have the 9-bp deletion, but since it appears to be associated with the L African haplogroup and lacks the characteristic pattern observed in Amerindian B haplogroups for the diagnostic sites DdeI 10394 and AluI 10397 (--), it is most likely of African origin (Soodyall et al. 1996).
We have also tried to clarify the extent of the Amerindian contribution to the African American gene pool. There have been accounts of substantial contact among North American Indians and people of African descent in specific periods of U.S. history, especially in regions such as the Mississippi delta and Florida (Katz 1986). Some early anthropological reports have emphasized the high proportion of African American college students claiming some Amerindian ancestry (Herskovits 1930; Meier 1949). In fact, the importance of the Amerindian contribution to the African American gene pool has been a matter of controversy since the first studies of African American admixture (Roberts 1955; Glass 1955). However, practically all admixture studies of African American populations to date have employed a dihybrid model (African/European) instead of a trihybrid model (African/European/Amerindian). We tested our African American samples for the presence of the common Amerindian-specific mtDNA haplogroups (A, B, C, and D), and detected just 4 individuals with an Amerindian haplogroup, among >1,000 African Americans. This indicates that the contribution from Amerindians has been of little importance in the 10 populations of African descent we have characterized, at least on the maternal line.
Population structure of Y chromosome SNP haplogroups in the United States and forensic implications for constructing Y chromosome STR databases
Almost zilch Native American in the Y-Chromosome sampled here.
Places sampled: AZ, SD, OH, VT, CT, NYC, VA, NC, FL.
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