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Registered: Nov 17, 2005 Posts: 79 | June 15, 2007 at 10:56 PM | | I know this is very is a repetative question/statment, and it's not meant to be a debate or anything.
Being MGM I feel like I"m stuck in a limo between beening seen and feeling like the 'average black american' and beening seen and feeling like I'm mixed. I understand all the issues and blessings that come with being mixed and having multipule heritages. Yet I also understand all the issues and blessing that come with being 'black in america'. I've been the same in a group of "other average black american", yet I've also been cast out of that group at other times. I've been around other FGM's and they have made me feel like I'm not like them at all...even when I express a mixed hertiage and identity, and at other times when I've been around some FGM's it's like we were our own group. It's like I"m mixed between being mixed and black socialy.
At the same time, I understand how my expirences being a brownskinned MGM in a mgm family of all colors, makes me not able to 'fully understand' some FGM's issues, EVERYTIME one of the parents who looked the least like them showed up having people give them grief about that. yet I do kind of understand that because my mom had to deal with that with her father being darkskinned and she being so fair.
it's just really retarted, at times when reading something about mixed people I think, I'm not mixed...like that...but then at the same time when hearing something about black people...I'm not black.
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Registered: April 23, 2007 Posts: 45
| Most likely, we all know what you're talking about to a certain extent. Being mulattos, whether FGM or MGM, we are not quite one thing or not quite another. For me, looking the way I look, I have been accepted AND not accepted by black people and by white people, but always accepted by black and white people. With the various mixes that make us up, I'm sure we can all relate to being accepted and not accepted by various groups. Who among us has ALWAYS been identified by others as a mulatto? See what I mean? Oh, and I have been highly accepted by Puerto Ricans and Italians, too, due to my looks, even when they know that I am what I am.
My father's solution to his own in-between appearance ("high yella" with blue-green eyes) was to identify as an earthling. 
In regard to how you might think "I'm not mixed like that" or "I'm not black", I have been in a room full of white people and thought "I'm the only black person in here" and I've been in a room full of black people and thought "I'm the only white person in here", which is CRAZY because I seriously don't consider myself to be black or white. I think it might just be our mind's way of acknowledging that we are different, you know? We are the unique-est!
So, in conclusion, in the sage words of DMX, "Do you! 'Cause I'mma do me, truly! Woowhee!"
We are who we are INSIDE (mixed/mulatto/blended/other), in spite of what people perceive us to be.
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Registered: Dec 26, 2006 Posts: 97 | Quote: Originally Posted by OTHERMost likely, we all know what you're talking about to a certain extent. Being mulattos, whether FGM or MGM, we are not quite one thing or not quite another. For me, looking the way I look, I have been accepted AND not accepted by black people and by white people, but always accepted by black and white people. With the various mixes that make us up, I'm sure we can all relate to being accepted and not accepted by various groups. Who among us has ALWAYS been identified by others as a mulatto? See what I mean? Oh, and I have been highly accepted by Puerto Ricans and Italians, too, due to my looks, even when they know that I am what I am. My father's solution to his own in-between appearance ("high yella" with blue-green eyes) was to identify as an earthling.  In regard to how you might think "I'm not mixed like that" or "I'm not black", I have been in a room full of white people and thought "I'm the only black person in here" and I've been in a room full of black people and thought "I'm the only white person in here", which is CRAZY because I seriously don't consider myself to be black or white. I think it might just be our mind's way of acknowledging that we are different, you know? We are the unique-est! So, in conclusion, in the sage words of DMX, "Do you! 'Cause I'mma do me, truly! Woowhee!" We are who we are INSIDE (mixed/mulatto/blended/other), in spite of what people perceive us to be.
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Registered: Oct 23, 2005 Posts: 156 | I think there is a difference in the experience of being FGM ( a term I don't use, or care for ) and a MGM. I've met a couple of MGM's, and I'm one of the FGM's who don't feel racially and culturally a 100% full connection to them. But then again, I do share some points of view with them, so I'm not too dismissive of them. I my opinion there is a hugh difference in having a white and black parent, and have a darkskinned and fair skinned parent. For a start I think very few FGM's would describe there black parent as "darkskinned" and there white parent as "fair skinned". Shades/skin tones are something most FGM's I'm aware of don't think of or use in social terms. I don't hear FGM's saying Halle Berry is darkskinned and Rashida Jones is fairskinned. They are Mixed Race/Bi Racial or FGM's (whatever term you use). The use of skin tone to describe, ones self or other people is something MGM's and black people use. __________________ Ben | Dave

Moderator Registered: Sept 19, 2005 Posts: 3,775 | This comment isn't directed at any one poster in particular. Since this is the positive mulatto resource board, threads like these should be developed in a positive mulatto community building way, including building community between FGM's and MGM's. Debating FGM v. MGM is perfect for the debate and free speech message board rather than the positive mulatto resource message board.  __________________ The purpose of the mulatto.org message board is to share resources and support for positive mulatto identity and community. If you want to argue about something in a thread, please go do that on the debate board. If you want to challenge the definition of who is a mulatto that mulatto.org is using for the next year (someone who is 25% or more white/european, and 25% or more black/african) then please also do that on the debate board. The link for the debate board is: http://www.websitetoolbox.com/tool/mb/mulattodebate | OTHER

Registered: April 23, 2007 Posts: 45
| Quote: Originally Posted by Ben I think there is a difference in the experience of being FGM ( a term I don't use, or care for ) and a MGM. I've met a couple of MGM's, and I'm one of the FGM's who don't feel racially and culturally a 100% full connection to them. But then again, I do share some points of view with them, so I'm not too dismissive of them.
I my opinion there is a hugh difference in having a white and black parent, and have a darkskinned and fair skinned parent. For a start I think very few FGM's would describe there black parent as "darkskinned" and there white parent as "fair skinned". Shades/skin tones are something most FGM's I'm aware of don't think of or use in social terms.
I don't hear FGM's saying Halle Berry is darkskinned and Rashida Jones is fairskinned. They are Mixed Race/Bi Racial or FGM's (whatever term you use). The use of skin tone to describe, ones self or other people is something MGM's and black people use.
Ummm, you mean EVERYBODY doesn't use dark-skinned and light-skinned to describe people? My dad is black and my mom is white, yet I JUST referred to my dad as "high yella". In fact, not only do I use the terms you mentioned to describe the skin tones of blacks, mulattos, Italians, etc. I also use many other terms, such as honey, milk chocolate, olive, medium brown, fair, pasty, etc. etc. Dude, I'm sure I am not the only mulatto that does this. Am I? I have even heard white people use such terms to describe skin tone, but to a lesser extent.
Of course, I understand where you're coming from when you say there's a difference, when it comes to experiences, between someone with a black parent and a white parent versus someone whose whole family is mixed over generations. BUT, there are also differences between those of us with a white mom versus a black mom, those of us raised with both parents versus just the black parent versus just the white parent versus adopted, etc. One thing we do have in common, though, is that we all have a significant amount of African ancestry and a significant amount of European ancestry. And that's what makes us all so 
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Moderator Registered: Sept 19, 2005 Posts: 3,775 | Quote: Originally Posted by OTHERQuote: Originally Posted by Ben I think there is a difference in the experience of being FGM ( a term I don't use, or care for ) and a MGM. I've met a couple of MGM's, and I'm one of the FGM's who don't feel racially and culturally a 100% full connection to them. But then again, I do share some points of view with them, so I'm not too dismissive of them.
I my opinion there is a hugh difference in having a white and black parent, and have a darkskinned and fair skinned parent. For a start I think very few FGM's would describe there black parent as "darkskinned" and there white parent as "fair skinned". Shades/skin tones are something most FGM's I'm aware of don't think of or use in social terms.
I don't hear FGM's saying Halle Berry is darkskinned and Rashida Jones is fairskinned. They are Mixed Race/Bi Racial or FGM's (whatever term you use). The use of skin tone to describe, ones self or other people is something MGM's and black people use. Ummm, you mean EVERYBODY doesn't use dark-skinned and light-skinned to describe people? My dad is black and my mom is white, yet I JUST referred to my dad as "high yella". In fact, not only do I use the terms you mentioned to describe the skin tones of blacks, mulattos, Italians, etc. I also use many other terms, such as honey, milk chocolate, olive, medium brown, fair, pasty, etc. etc. Dude, I'm sure I am not the only mulatto that does this. Am I? I have even heard white people use such terms to describe skin tone, but to a lesser extent. Of course, I understand where you're coming from when you say there's a difference, when it comes to experiences, between someone with a black parent and a white parent versus someone whose whole family is mixed over generations. BUT, there are also differences between those of us with a white mom versus a black mom, those of us raised with both parents versus just the black parent versus just the white parent versus adopted, etc. One thing we do have in common, though, is that we all have a significant amount of African ancestry and a significant amount of European ancestry. And that's what makes us all so  Other, Ben, and anyone else. Please continue any debating aspects on the debate and free speech message board. The link is in my signature. __________________ The purpose of the mulatto.org message board is to share resources and support for positive mulatto identity and community. If you want to argue about something in a thread, please go do that on the debate board. If you want to challenge the definition of who is a mulatto that mulatto.org is using for the next year (someone who is 25% or more white/european, and 25% or more black/african) then please also do that on the debate board. The link for the debate board is: http://www.websitetoolbox.com/tool/mb/mulattodebate | __________________ "Whodat say dey gonna beat dem Saints!? Whodat!? Whodat!?" |
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thank you other for your reply...Ben..dont know what you are talking about, but it's fine. |
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Quote: Originally Posted by AnonOther, I agree with you.
Anon, About the being yourself part or about the mulattos use descriptions like light-skinned/dark-skinned part? Or both?  __________________ "Whodat say dey gonna beat dem Saints!? Whodat!? Whodat!?" |
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Sorry, I should have clarified. I was refering to the aspect about calling people light and dark. |
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Quote: Originally Posted by AnonSorry, I should have clarified. I was refering to the aspect about calling people light and dark.
Oh, good, so I'm not alone in that. I didn't think so. God knows I have had to refer to myself as pasty for years! The Florida sun has been helping to remedy that, though! __________________ "Whodat say dey gonna beat dem Saints!? Whodat!? Whodat!?" |
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it's just really retarted, at times when reading something about mixed people I think, I'm not mixed...like that...but then at the same time when hearing something about black people...I'm not black.
Anybody know what I"m talking about?
I know what you mean as far as reading something about black people but not reading something about mixed people.
At times when I read something about black people I feel as though my opinion dont matter because Im only half black. For instance, with the show "Girlfriends" the mixed girl always feels the same way.
On the other hand reading something about mixed people is different because I know for sure Im mixed.
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Black is an identity, and a label warbucks, and if you wanted to it could apply to you as well. While you may not be totally "african", you certainly can feel, if you choose to think of it so, that what you experience does apply to black people, and vice a versa. Remember, there are genes, there is appearance, and there is social construction.
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WARBUCKS brought up "Girlfriends" and we're talking about Average "Black" American, right? So, I can't help but mention that I had to stop and think WHICH mixed girl on "Girlfriends" was being referred to, since there are two - Persia White and Tracee Ellis Ross, but then I had to remember that Tracee Ellis Ross was not PLAYING a mixed girl, but rather an average "black" American. 
P.S. WARBUCKS, believe it or not, my cousin Chenoa was in a few episodes of "Girlfriends", too! (She was Maya's exe's new girlfriend, Lena.) Not that I'm trying to shamelessly promote my cousin, Chenoa Maxwell, who isn't even acting anymore (http://chenoamaxwell.com), but, um, yeah, go buy all of her DVDs, K? 
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MMmm, thats part of the pathology of America's perspective on race. Would America feel comfortable seeing phenotypically black women on a show like "girlfriends"? I wonder what percentage of that show's constituancy identifies as something other than black. It may be that the general society somehow finds it easier to relate to "those kind of black", then it does to people who appear black. What do you guys think about the dichotomy between the actual average black, and the portrayal of the average black?
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Quote: Originally Posted by OTHERWARBUCKS brought up "Girlfriends" and we're talking about Average "Black" American, right? So, I can't help but mention that I had to stop and think WHICH mixed girl on "Girlfriends" was being referred to, since there are two - Persia White and Tracee Ellis Ross, but then I had to remember that Tracee Ellis Ross was not PLAYING a mixed girl, but rather an average "black" American.  P.S. WARBUCKS, believe it or not, my cousin Chenoa was in a few episodes of "Girlfriends", too! (She was Maya's exe's new girlfriend, Lena.) Not that I'm trying to shamelessly promote my cousin, Chenoa Maxwell, who isn't even acting anymore ( http://chenoamaxwell.com), but, um, yeah, go buy all of her DVDs, K?  that was HER?! thats freakinnn cool! lol |
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Quote: Originally Posted by TheMulattoKid MMmm, thats part of the pathology of America's perspective on race. Would America feel comfortable seeing phenotypically black women on a show like "girlfriends"? I wonder what percentage of that show's constituancy identifies as something other than black. It may be that the general society somehow finds it easier to relate to "those kind of black", then it does to people who appear black. What do you guys think about the dichotomy between the actual average black, and the portrayal of the average black?
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I think that you just explained why white Democrats LOOOOOOVE Barack Obama. Of course it's easier for a white person to relate to a "black" person who's half-white and was raised by his white mother than to, say, Al Sharpton. DUH!
Another TV example: On "Different World", Cree Summer played a halfie, while two of the "black" females were played by Jasmine Guy and, of course, Lisa Bonet, both of whom are also mixed AND look whiter than Cree Summer!!!
 Cree Summer and her brother Rainbow Sun Francks. Yep, they really named their son RAINBOW!!! Tsk Tsk.
 Jasmine Guy
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Quote: Originally Posted by OTHER I think that you just explained why white Democrats LOOOOOOVE Barack Obama. Of course it's easier for a white person to relate to a "black" person who's half-white and was raised by his white mother than to, say, Al Sharpton. DUH!
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Quote: Originally Posted by ShakaQuote: Originally Posted by OTHER I think that you just explained why white Democrats LOOOOOOVE Barack Obama. Of course it's easier for a white person to relate to a "black" person who's half-white and was raised by his white mother than to, say, Al Sharpton. DUH! The ONLY way that Sharpton would ever win a Democratic primary was if he painted all of his competition as racists. lol..... Sadly, it's quite possible for him. 
He still wouldn't win, though, seriously. He could produce solid evidence that all of his opponents were active members of the Ku Klux Klan, but one of them would still win the primary. That's what I believe, anyway. __________________ "Whodat say dey gonna beat dem Saints!? Whodat!? Whodat!?" |
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